Talk About That
By: John Driver and Jonnie W., Christian Comedy Creatives
Language: en-US
Categories: Comedy, Religion, Spirituality, Christianity
Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.
Episodes
Farming, Mediocrity, and Trust
Jan 08, 2026John listens to one of his daughter's favorite podcasts and ponders why someone would want to buy Hitler's old car.
Meanwhile, Jonnie resolves to be mediocre in 2026 and tells us how both President Bushes had embarrassing moments exactly 10 years apart.
Plus, a conversation about not losing hope when a season of life ends, and the importance of trusting God.
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<... Duration: 00:50:06Movie Adaptations, “Justified” Shoplifting, and Vice
Dec 31, 2025John finally gets into reading fiction, but hates it when the movie ends different than the book. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a random Venmo from a listener who is trying to keep him out of jail and tells the story of the time left-handed polo players got banned.
Plus, a conversation about vices, neighbors, and the advantages of failing in private.
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Duration: 00:40:27Fake Trees, Illegal Christmas, and Greatness
Dec 23, 2025John brings glowsticks to church and the crowd goes wild. Meanwhile, Jonnie rides in the back of a truck in January with a 300 lb television and tells the tale of Grandfather Frost.
Plus, a conversation about the dangers in striving for greatness and why we’re really happiest when we make our life about other people.
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Duration: 00:49:58SPECIAL Christmas Compilation Episode!
Dec 19, 2025John and Jonnie bring you past clips from some of their favorite holiday moments of the podcast over the years.
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Duration: 00:48:16Aluminum Trees, Bad Candy, and Synthetic Connection
Dec 11, 2025John reveals his least favorite candy and learns what beloved TV special killed the aluminum Christmas tree industry. Meanwhile, Jonnie has lunch with some comedian pals and tells the tale of the Pet Rock craze of the 1970s.
Plus, a conversation about red flags, toxic people, and how weaponized “therapy talk” has led to a loneliness epidemic.
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Duration: 00:33:59Movie Candy, Rabies, and Pottery Class
Dec 04, 2025John questions the morality of sneaking in outside candy to the movies. Meanwhile, Jonnie joins the podcast remotely from snowy Michigan and tells the history of the phrase “innocent until proven guilty.”
Plus, a conversation about "The Pottery Class Paradox” and why making a lot of things is better than obsessing over perfection.
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Duration: 00:50:59Laughing Gas, Thanksgiving History, and Prayer
Nov 26, 2025John gets his wisdom teeth out and experiences time travel. Meanwhile, Jonnie searches for a loyal dog and shares historical facts about Thanksgiving.
Plus, a conversation about Job and the two-word answer God gives to every prayer.
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Duration: 00:34:45Flying Pigs, Shipwrecks, and Sanctification
Nov 20, 2025John ponders whether AI will take our podcasting jobs and hates when his favorite shows "jump the shark.” Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a WAY too firm handshake from an audience member and gets suspicious of the woman who survived 3 famous ship disasters
Plus, a conversation about Sanctification, Niceness, and why we are (hopefully) falling down an up escalator.
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Duration: 00:45:57Super Glue, Exploding Whales, and Thankfulness
Nov 13, 2025John's standing desk goes rogue and he learns a musical use for Super Glue. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why the sandwich was invented and tells the tale of the exploding whale in Oregon.
Plus, a conversation about giving, receiving, and a perspective of gratitude.
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<... Duration: 00:33:46Favorite Chairs, Shattered Backboards, and Loving Our Enemies
Nov 06, 2025John finds his bald band of brothers and hopes he eventually gets a recliner. Meanwhile, Jonnie visits a famous golf destination and reveals yet another 80's political scandal that is just adorable by today's standards.
Plus, a conversation about winning the culture war and losing our way.
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Duration: 00:31:05Retractions, Dust Mites, and Grace
Oct 30, 2025John takes an "L" when he issues a snarky retraction about typewriters and brags about his ability to worry. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns a troubling fact about pillows and hopes he'll be a new man in 7 years.
Plus, a conversation about how grace goes against our urge to achieve approval.
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Steroid Shots, Bad Eyes, and Dehumanization
Oct 23, 2025John gets over his fear of needles and gets emotional listening to Guns N Roses. Meanwhile, Jonnie figures out his eyes are failing while hanging out with a younger person and tells us about the time a man took his wife on a balloon ride 11 miles up.
Plus, a conversation about the death of nuance, and why the internet has turned our conversations into shouting matches.
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<... Duration: 00:41:59Nacho Libre, Adult Braces, and Misinformation
Oct 17, 2025John reminisces on his childhood days as a pool shark and tells us why he is a prisoner in his own mouth. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides minivans aren't so bad and begins a frantic search for an audience member who used a funny alias at his show (and then had a serious thing happen to him).
Plus, a conversation about truth, propaganda, and why we really hope there's a generation coming that will reject social media.
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Duration: 00:46:40Tunnels, Sarcasm, and Encouragement
Oct 09, 2025John is enamored with his car's technology and patiently awaits Nashville's new tunnel system. Meanwhile, Jonnie does a show for people in recovery and tells the tale of a woman who rode a bicycle an unreasonable distance.
Plus, a conversation about affirmation, encouragement and how we never really stop becoming something.
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Duration: 00:32:35Nixon's Pup, Guy Movies, and Failure
Oct 02, 2025John wants a 3D printed liver and spends a week at home alone watching movies his wife would hate. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders how adorable old political scandals are when compared with today's and celebrates the birthday of an author who sold a lot of books… and got his predictions wrong 100% of the time.
Plus, a conversation about submission and obedience, and what it means to be "free indeed.”
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Duration: 00:33:56Spider Therapy, Shark Jumping, and Anxiety
Sep 18, 2025John goes snake hunting and tells us why he doesn't like scary movies. Meanwhile Jonnie visits Stephen King's house in Maine and shares the story of the man who quit drumming for the Beatles to go back to driving a forklift.
Plus, a conversation about the anxiety built into modern life and the challenges this generation faces that we never had to deal with.
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Duration: 00:41:14Car Wrecks, Jingles, and Virtue Signaling
Sep 11, 2025John has a serious dilemma when choosing a license plate and is upset by the current trends in facial hair. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives an update on his scratched car and tells us why it's not quite like the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Plus, a conversation about cultural baggage around the word "Christian" and the balance between proclaiming our faith and living our faith.
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Duration: 00:45:34ChatBots, Mystery Notes, and Tradition
Aug 29, 2025John pits AI servers against one another and learns about a war that lasted about as long as this episode. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a mysterious note from a stranger and tells us the strange (and misremembered) history of the "Rosie the Riveter" poster.
Plus, a conversation about tradition and the tension we hold between honoring the past and charting a new direction.
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Duration: 00:40:21Mouth Tape, Old Hymns, and Confirmation Bias
Aug 22, 2025John tells us his elaborate sleeping regimen, and tries to bring back the offeratory in church services. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a case of the "church giggles", and shares the complicated history of The Wizard of Oz.
Plus, a conversation about confirmation bias, and why truthfulness still matters.
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Duration: 00:51:18Fencepost Turtles, Boat People, and The Pursuit of Happiness
Aug 14, 2025John doesn't have time to kayak and doesn't sell his soul (because he got no offers). Meanwhile, Jonnie performs feats of strength at a show, and tells the history of the plastic car made of soybeans.
Plus, a conversation about the pursuit of happiness and why it makes so many of us miserable.
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Duration: 00:42:08Engine Explosions, Bird Attacks, and Hopelessness
Aug 08, 2025John learns about the Mandela Effect and tells us whether he'd sell the awards he's won for writing. Meanwhile, Jonnie opens a timeshare for birds and thinks today's generation is WAY too hydrated.
Plus, a conversation about despair and why chasing comfort can be a detriment to authentic faith.
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<... Duration: 00:58:09Stolen Phones, Window Taxes, and Bad Referees
Jul 31, 2025John celebrates the contentious history of the ice cream cone, and never goes anywhere without his emergency jacket. Meanwhile, Jonnie hurts himself on a Ninja Warrior course, and tells us about the time England taxed windows.
Plus, a conversation about how a good church service is like a good pair of shoes, and a good referee.
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Duration: 00:55:20Groundhog Day, Tomatoes, and Masculinity
Jul 25, 2025John traps a groundhog and immediately makes it into a sermon illustration. Meanwhile, Jonnie doesn't like it when restaurants use animals as mascots, and learns about the time in history when tomatoes were considered poisonous.
Plus, a conversation about masculinity, vulnerability, and common sense.
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Duration: 00:41:42Tree Invasions, Listener Emails, and Idols
Jul 17, 2025John goes for a jog and gets attacked by an unlikely predator. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides not to tell his Kenny Rogers joke for a very good reason, and dreams of getting a key to the City (any city will do).
Plus, we learn why anxiety is like a rocking chair (and not in a good way), and how security can become an unhealthy fixation.
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Duration: 00:54:43Civil War, Bad Sequels, and Moods
Jul 11, 2025John goes to an archeological dig and channels his inner Indiana Jones for a history book project. Meanwhile, Jonnie takes us behind the scenes for his debut performance at the Grand Ole Opry and ponders whether children's books are pro-insect propaganda.
Plus, a conversation about honoring our thoughts and moods without letting them have undue influence in our lives.
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Duration: 00:48:46Varmints, Walkmans, and Servanthood
Jul 03, 2025John fights to remove some unwelcome houseguests before they cost him his savings (and sanity). Meanwhile, Jonnie gets creeped out in the restroom at the Nashville Zoo and reveals why M&M's candies were sold to the military in the 1940's.
Plus, a conversation about the purpose of the church, and the importance of focusing on authenticity, rather than outside perception.
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Duration: 00:44:42Uncle Sam, Rabbit Attacks, and Gratefulness
Jun 27, 2025John has an awkward encounter with a possum and issues a retraction about St. Bernards. Meanwhile, Jonnie performs at a wedding reception and reveals the world record for most people shaved in an hour.
Plus, a conversation about gratitude and why "counting our blessings" changes our mindset.
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Duration: 00:43:00Disney Hugs, Ranch Retractions, and Battles
Jun 20, 2025John issues a retraction about ranch dressing and pours money into an old car. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why a hug from a Disney character is the best and tells us why fashion matters more than you think when climbing Mt. Everest.
Plus, a conversation about picking your battles, and beginning with the end in mind.
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Duration: 00:48:1090's Country, Lottery Dreams, and Ego Death
Jun 12, 2025John puts himself on the (literal) hot seat and buys a Cadillac made of gold. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us about the "Dancing Plague" of the 16th Century and the strange reason ketchup was invented.
Plus, a conversation about the difference between healthy confidence and a self-destructive ego.
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Duration: 00:52:42Family Trips, 3-Year Beards, and Self-Talk
Jun 05, 2025John stays in a hiking lodge with strangers and tells us why some things are better off being dirty. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a mishap trimming his goatee and reveals the pecking order of entertainers.
Plus, a conversation about Self-Talk and why your words may matter more than you think.
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Duration: 00:45:37Guillotines, Saint Bernards, and Movies
May 29, 2025John wants to take a long train ride and is exhausted by AI deep fake videos. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a Facebook comment that is actually helpful and makes a big splash when he reveals his very first memory from childhood.
Plus, a conversation about how the movies and media we consume shape our personality and core values.
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Duration: 00:46:55A-Listers, Interrupting Dogs, and Inspiration
May 22, 2025John defies his GPS and begrudgingly admits his father's motto was actually pretty great. Meanwhile, Jonnie brags about his elite status on a budget airline and tells the story of the time a solar eclipse stopped a war and led to a royal wedding.
Plus, a conversation about validating our feelings without always being driven by them.
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Duration: 00:33:26Ghost Camels, Arranged Marriages, and Dyed Souls
May 15, 2025John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the Titanic movie and tells the strange story of how government-imported camels in the 1800's led to ghost sightings in Arizona.
Plus, a conversation about contemplation, and the power our thoughts have over the direction of our lives.
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Duration: 00:50:24Activist Sitcoms, Internet Backlash, and an Interview with Newsboys
May 08, 2025John ponders old sitcom episodes that tackled important issues (for ratings). Meanwhile, Jonnie compares himself to an old Stephen King movie and reveals the history of the cowboy hat.
Plus, an exclusive interview with CCM legends, Newsboys!
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Duration: 00:44:36Dopamine, Extra Bread, and Complexity
May 02, 2025John critiques the Big Mac and tries to be productive, but only if he can track it on his phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a decade-old video go viral and does a Maypole dance against his Mom’s wishes.
Plus, a conversation about dopamine addiction and the urge to oversimplify problems that need more nuance.
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Duration: 00:42:01Elon Implants, Lottery Cheats, and Emotional Maturity
Apr 25, 2025John gets invited by Jonnie to a gender reveal party for an insect and refuses to get his brain hacked by Elon Musk. Meanwhile, Jonnie thinks Abe Lincoln should’ve seen a dermatologist and tells us the history of the zipper.
Plus, a conversation about emotional maturity and the right way to change someone’s mind.
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Duration: 00:43:47Disney Trips, Shiny Heads, and Impostor Syndrome
Apr 17, 2025John tries to stop his head from shining, and tells us the illustrious history of the Slurpee. Meanwhile, Jonnie goes to a 20 year old movie, and shares the story of the time Winnie the Pooh got sued for assault.
Plus, a conversation about side-hustles, impostor syndrome, and why some of our favorite people doubt their abilities.
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Duration: 00:53:24Movie Theaters, Magic Tricks, and Hardships
Apr 10, 2025John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why Betty Ford danced on a table at the White House
Plus, a conversation about how difficulties and trials tend to deepen our relationships.
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Duration: 00:45:40Roadrunner Rules, Bruce Almighty, and Main Character Energy
Apr 03, 2025John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian.
Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the flex you think it is.
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Duration: 00:53:03Manglers, Acai Bowls, and Integrity
Mar 27, 2025John gets bougie with the sideline snacks for his daughter's volleyball game and wonders if Daniel from the Bible snuggled with the lions. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives us the strange history of the washing machine and gets intimidated at an event when he hears the list of previous keynote speakers.
Plus, a conversation about virtuous leadership, honor, and the main thing George Washington got right.
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Duration: 00:46:25Secret Microphones, Escalators, and Reactionaryism
Mar 20, 2025John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase.
Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear.
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Duration: 00:44:07Old Technology, Deathbed Confessions, and Transactional Love
Mar 13, 2025John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts.
Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it's needed now more than ever.
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Duration: 00:35:19Mr. Icee, Hula Hoops, and Suffering
Mar 06, 2025John tells us about his short-lived career as a rapper and ponders how much protection his book would offer against a would be assassin. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his rock band's name way too many times and tries in vain to stop a rodent infestation.
Plus, a conversation about how God shapes us through pain and disappointment, and why that's actually a good thing.
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Duration: 00:49:13Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors
Feb 27, 2025John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland.
Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance.
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Duration: 00:45:17Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty
Feb 21, 2025John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.
Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be the best one.
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Duration: 00:48:34Overpacking, Phone Addiction, and Vulnerability
Feb 13, 2025John does some retail therapy and ponders a bold new way to reduce his screen time. Meanwhile, Jonnie hits the road with way too much luggage and tells the strange history of the Patron Saint of Toothaches.
Plus, a conversation about vulnerability and why a life without humility is so dangerous.
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Duration: 00:32:49Our Goal in Life Should Not Be Happiness. But What Should It Be Instead?
Feb 07, 2025"You do not need to know precisely what is happening or exactly where it is all going. What you need is to recognize the possibilities and challenges offered by the present moment and to embrace them with courage, faith, and hope." - Thomas Merton. In this episode, we have a conversation about the "pursuit of happiness" and why adapting to challenges is a far better goal.
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Duration: 00:36:08Is Knowing Too Much Killing Our Brains? Information Overload in the Age of the Internet
Jan 30, 2025Bertrand Russell said, “There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge.” If there was ever a flagship quote for our podcast, is this it? Are we drowning in knowledge? Is knowing too much actually harming our brains? In today's episode, a conversation about information overload in the age of the internet and whether knowing too much is killing our brains.
Plus, John does his best cat impression for some voiceover work and helps explain when an outfit becomes a getup. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders whether he could defeat John in an armored battle and why so many p...
Duration: 00:35:49Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?
Jan 23, 2025"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and he...
Duration: 00:50:15Avoiding the Comparison Trap in Your Career (Plus Missed Opportunities & Fingerless Gloves)
Jan 16, 2025John comes in second place A LOT and tries his best to look menacing on his way to Walgreens. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats way too many caramels and learns that the most highly ranked restaurants are also selling car parts.
Plus, a conversation about the trap of comparison and how to enjoy the one life you've been given. We make a lot of resolutions this time of year, things we plan to do... but is there anything you ought to "undo" as the new year begins?
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Duration: 00:44:54How Gratitude Can Quiet Your Anxiety (Plus Reclaimed Beanies & Going to Movies)
Jan 09, 2025"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety.
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Duration: 00:45:27Inconvenience or Adventure? How Perspective Shapes Experience (Plus: Christmas Pickles)
Dec 24, 2024Think about it: the greatest adventures you’ve experienced almost certainly had inconveniences. What mishaps are you currently experiencing that might lead to great stories later on? On this episode of Talk About That, we share some laughs about our holiday hiccups, and a few of our favorite funny moments from Christmases past. As GK Chesterton wisely said, "An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered." Whether it's a cold performance venue or a baptism in freezing water, embracing these inconveniences can turn them into cherished stories. Our perspective can shape our experiences, especially during the holiday season. What si...
Duration: 00:43:19Burning Rugs, Explosive Shoes, and Self-Righteousness
Dec 19, 2024John becomes an impromptu firefighter and turns Jonnie's rental car story into a sermon illustration. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets flagged at the airport and tells us the real reason "It's a Wonderful Life" became a classic.
Plus, a conversation about self-righteousness and the temptation to make the gospel about "other more sinful people" when it's really about us.
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Duration: 00:40:08Santa Stops, Prison Visits, and Advent
Dec 12, 2024John questions Santa's delivery route and takes a private jet straight to prison. Meanwhile, Jonnie has his rental car confiscated in the middle of the night, and tells the story of the time Winston Churchill got a prescription for booze.
Plus, a conversation about Advent, waiting, and the beauty of brokenness.
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Duration: 00:47:53Frozen Turkeys, Cheapskates, and Big Tables
Nov 28, 2024John tells us why we really eat turkey at Thanksgiving and is forced to perform in a talent show before he can join the feast. Meanwhile, Jonnie defends the lowly Sloppy Joe as a quality sandwich and tells the tale of the woman so cheap she made nightgowns out of newspapers.
Plus, a conversation about what it really means to "prepare a table for us in the presence of our enemies” and why some people are disappointed by God's mercy towards others.
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Duration: 00:34:09Is Gen Z Ready to Shed Cynicism and Embrace Hope?
Nov 21, 2024On this episode of Talk About That, we come back to the idea that cynicism is easy and hope is hard. If we’re not careful, we can all be cynics. But what have we built? The things that we grow and build in life that matter most are usually the people with whom we’ve built relationships. Today, John and Jonnie have a conversation about the courage it takes to hope and why the next generation may actually be getting tired of cynicism.
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Duration: 00:34:09Peppers, Hobbies, & Filibusters
Nov 14, 2024John defends green peppers, eats gum wrappers, and needs a hobby. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders why people romanticize medieval times and reveals the surprising reason the sandwich was really invented.
Plus, a conversation about wisdom and foolishness, and how the internet has robbed us of contemplation before rendering an opinion.
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Duration: 00:43:16Prayer Peekers, Smarty Pants, and Stubbornness
Nov 08, 2024John keeps a secret folder of phrases to make himself look cool at parties and invents a clothing line. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders people who pray with one eye open and tells the story of the man who was jailed for 7 years for smoking tobacco.
Plus, a conversation about the one thing wise and stupid people have in common.
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Duration: 00:42:38Monk Retreats, Hotel Robes, and Generosity
Nov 01, 2024John gets frustrated with ChatGPT and wants to be a monk (except for the silence part). Meanwhile, Jonnie stays at a hotel with a fancy television and thinks his wife may have stolen several pair of slippers.
Plus, a conversation about prosperity, giving, and surrender.
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Duration: 00:41:28The Importance of Voting and Civic Duties (Plus Early Baldness and Bruce Lee)
Oct 24, 2024John tells us why he just can't lick his fingers anymore and gets jealous of the Bachelor. Meanwhile, Jonnie dishes on an exciting delivery to the old ‘Beverly Hills 90210’ set and gets irritated by fancy ketchup at restaurants.
Plus, a conversation about talent vs discipline and why repetition matters more than you think.
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Duration: 00:41:32A Better Way to Think about Forgiveness (Plus Dog Training & Confused Emus)
Oct 18, 2024John gets played by his own dog and ponders a replacement for smart phones. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns about pandas who fake pregnancy and how Abe Lincoln got body-shamed by an 11-year old girl.
Plus, a conversation about forgiveness and grace as a habitual act.
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Duration: 00:38:31Why Battle Language in Scripture Needs to Be Handled with Care (Plus Plane Crashes, Redshirts & Loving Our Enemies)
Oct 10, 2024John looks bad in volleyball shorts and talks to a coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the origin of the “redshirt freshman” in football and why the Beatles’ biggest hit was almost a song about breakfast.
Plus, a conversation about the subtle difference between a wise person and a fool.
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Oct 04, 2024John supersizes his game day food and ponders a time before cellphones ruined us. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why a picnic is no picnic and reveals how a little citrus saved some British sailors.
Plus, a conversation about goals and systems, and why one is more important than the other.
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Duration: 00:44:23Neural Implants, World War III, and The Party of Principle
Sep 26, 2024John ponders neural implants and whether he’d want to control devices with his mind. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us about the guy who saved the entire world from annihilation by not doing his job, and shares the absolute worst inspiration Bible verse if you are a a wrestler.
Plus, a conversation about the broken two-party system and the importance of seeing the humanity in people with whom you disagree.
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Duration: 00:46:46"I Have Everything, Why Am I Still Sad?" A Conversation on Anxiety (Plus Outdoor Comedy and Lightbulb Jokes)
Sep 20, 2024John and Jonnie chat about the pros and cons of performing at a music festival. Then, Jonnie tells the tale of the very first chiropractor and shares some old jokes about changing light bulbs.
Plus, a conversation about anxiety and brokenness, and why we need the proper perspective during hard times.
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Duration: 00:48:09How We’re Choosing Hope Instead of Cynicism (Plus Garbage Gifts and First Car Crashes)
Sep 12, 2024John gets a present straight from the garbage and starts a militia. Meanwhile, Jonnie wrecks his first car spectacularly and tells us about the longest baseball game in history.
Plus, a conversation about choosing hope over fear and how our actions can make deserts or forests.
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Duration: 00:43:24Rizz, Piggly Wiggly, and Priorities
Sep 05, 2024John learns the origins of the slang term “Rizz” and raises a celebratory toast to 17th century Massachusetts. Meanwhile, Jonnie haunts his own car while it’s in the repair shop and reveals why being the opener as a comedian can sometimes be a real sweet spot.
Plus, a conversation about idols and order, and how misplaced priorities can lead to all kinds of problems.
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Duration: 00:42:53Recliners, False Endings, and Good Intentions
Aug 29, 2024John’s recliner dreams are dashed and he hesitates to tell strangers what he does for a living. Meanwhile, Jonnie has nightmares he can’t wake up from and argues that a very popular trilogy of movies are all about 30 minutes too long.
Plus, a conversation about how we evaluate others versus how we judge ourselves.
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Duration: 00:31:12Talking Volleyballs, Geometry, and Essentials
Aug 22, 2024John has to relearn geometry and tries his best not to be a bad sports parent. Meanwhile, Jonnie reminisces about school supplies that were also implements of carnage and reveals the history behind National Waffle Day.
Plus, a conversation about disagreeing with someone without being disagreeable.
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Duration: 00:31:45Breakdancing, Olympic Painting, and Eternity
Aug 16, 2024John tells us about some odd olympic sports that got discontinued and learns about a forbidden dance that terrified Christian parents when we were kids. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders an old joke about traffic and reveals the story of the woman behind the most iconic line from a commercial in the 1980’s.
Plus, a conversation about eternity and why it’s a lot sooner than you think.
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Duration: 00:41:44Olympics, Rap Beefs, and Trust
Aug 08, 2024John thinks the Olympic Steeplechase is unnecessarily dangerous and ponders getting our old band back together as a vanity project cash grab. Meanwhile, Jonnie explains why beefs between rappers are adorable and why learning about old political scandals actually comforts him.
Plus, a conversation about faith in God that depends on an outcome vs. one that starts with a trust in His nature towards us.
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Duration: 00:52:08Lost Keys, Finder’s Fees, and Wonder
Aug 01, 2024John thinks he deserves a cut of the proceeds from Jonnie’s comedy shows and dusts off his old Spanish lessons for a family trip. Meanwhile, Jonnie has the most expensive rental car ever and reveals the ordinary woman who inspired the Statue of Liberty.
Plus, a conversation about stewarding an appreciation of the world around us and why you desperately need a 13-second hug, whether you know it or not.
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Duration: 00:45:54
Pet Names, Typos, and Truth
Jul 18, 2024John can’t spell “yogurt” and has a dog who gives himself shock therapy. Meanwhile, Jonnie isn’t sure a llama should be in your kitchen and tells us the surprising retail price of the nation’s first ballpoint pen in 1945.
Plus, a conversation about whether ignorance really is bliss and why knowing the truth makes things better, but not necessarily easier.
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Cat Jokes, Canyon Crashes, and Interdependence
Jul 11, 2024John misquotes yet another popular saying and wants to die at age 100 in the most dramatic way possible. Meanwhile, Jonnie argues that “tearing it off quick like a Band Aid” is terrible advice and tells us how to inform your neighbor that their cat has died.
Plus, a conversation about vulnerability, worry, and independence—and what the Bible really means by “daily bread.”
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Duration: 00:44:50Love Languages, Torture Songs, and Goodness
Jul 04, 2024John becomes an overnight Lakers fan and tells us what song could be used to torture him into submission. Meanwhile, Jonnie goes to a Celine Dion concert and reveals the secret to a great comedy venue.
Plus, a conversation about prayer and how our thoughts steer the direction of our lives, for better or worse.
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Duration: 00:50:24Why It's So Easy to Idolize the Days of Youth
Jun 26, 2024John shares his supervillain origin story and why he loves sitting in a hot car (even though it might be killing him). Meanwhile, Jonnie tells an old (and pointed) joke about religion, along with the story of the Automobile Club who got busted for helping speeders avoid the cops.
Plus, a conversation about our idolization of youth, the marginalization of the elderly, and why we all need to become better listeners.
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Duration: 00:46:09Shoe Racks, Seatbelts, and Isolation
Jun 20, 2024John compares churches to soft drinks and reveals his wife’s growing (and dangerous) shoe problem. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his mind about seatbelt laws and tells us about the time the Pope (literally) demonized cats and helped spread the Plague.
Plus, a conversation about love and risk, and why a guarded heart is like putting plastic covers on your sofa.
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Duration: 00:52:22Doomsday Preppers, 25-foot Chickens, and The Truman Show
Jun 06, 2024John goes to a fishing rodeo and regrets not being a doomsday prepper. Meanwhile, Jonnie makes some new friends at a petting zoo and ponders being chased by 25-foot chickens.
Plus, a conversation about Main Character Syndrome, victim mentality, and how to know whether you are being persecuted or just disagreed with.
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Duration: 00:50:42Old New Cars, Jingles, and Contrarianism
May 31, 2024John tells us the secret to happiness and gives his daughter (and himself) a birthday gift.
Meanwhile, Jonnie takes a bucket list trip with his 84-year old father in law and comes up with a new way to get people to look at positive news stories.
Plus, a conversation about the laziness of contrarianism and why we will be remembered for what we built, not what we've torn down.
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Duration: 00:52:22Can You Choose to be in a Good Mood?
May 23, 2024John tells us why he would be a terrible NASCAR driver and the boys argue over whether professional wrestlers are athletes or actors. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a run-in with the cops because he forgets his phone and tells the story of NBC’s diabolical plan to get people to buy color TVs in the 1950s.
Plus, a conversation about worry and the importance of attempting to affect the course of your thoughts.
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Duration: 00:31:20Are Cicadas Out for Revenge?
May 16, 2024John goes to extreme lengths to stop his snoring and attracts some local females. Meanwhile, Jonnie’s poor eyesight almost causes a scene at the grocery store.
Plus, a conversation about letting go of our need for vengeance, and our inclination towards moral superiority.
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Duration: 00:31:14Prejudice, Body Language, and Twister
May 09, 2024John ponders what the best accent is and wants to bring back the word “comeuppance.” Meanwhile, Jonnie takes his first red-eye flight and tells the story of the time Johnny Carson saved the game Twister from extinction.
Plus, a conversation about bias and why it so easy to make a hasty judgment before hearing all sides.
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Duration: 00:38:46Cold Cuts, Traitors, and Self-Worth
May 02, 2024John changes his mind about lunchmeat and gets kicked out of a football game. Meanwhile, Jonnie turns the tables on a police officer, and tells the tale of the “Human Fish.”
Plus, a conversation about self-esteem and the balance between knowing our value vs. over-inflating it.
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Duration: 00:34:53Loaded Broccoli, Gift Horses, and Hope
Apr 25, 2024John threatens someone with a loaded broccoli and tells us why not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns about redundant colons and gives his review of the newly re-styled Cracker Barrel.
Plus, a conversation about success and happiness and why they are not usually the same thing.
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Duration: 00:47:22You Will Definitely Be Forgotten (and That’s Great News)
Apr 18, 2024John gets a ’67 Mustang and some pointy sideburns, and wonders if relatives can see us from heaven.
Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders how long he could stand on one foot and ponders why having your accomplishments forgotten is actually a huge relief.
Plus, a conversation about living by a standard vs. being ruled by our feelings or the actions of others.
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Duration: 00:53:06How Concerned Should You Be About the End of the World?
Apr 10, 2024John preaches the day before the eclipse and DOES NOT reference it in his sermon. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells the story of a presidential candidate who lost an entire state because of the way he ate a tamale.
Plus, a conversation about the American obsession with End Times prophecies and our human need to know things that cannot be fully understood.
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Duration: 00:53:06Analog Rebellion, Deep Fake News, and Divine Intervention
Apr 04, 2024John reads some listener emails and gets his writing into The Bible (but not like a heretic, we promise). Meanwhile, Jonnie is starting to fear Artificial Intelligence and tells the story of the craziest coincidence ever.
Plus, a conversation about how tolerance and compromise is actually rooted in early Christianity.
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Duration: 00:56:05Christian Music, Big Orange, and Sowing & Reaping
Mar 28, 2024John tells us what NOT to say in a fight with your wife and that we basically drink orange juice for breakfast because of a government contract during World War II. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a dumb idea for church drum cages and has a conflicted relationship with his team’s colors.
Plus, a conversation about people doing good while working in a flawed system and why changing your mind can lead to changing your life.
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Ghost Shrubs, Arcade Robberies, and Perspective
Mar 21, 2024John heads to Las Vegas to help his daughter jump higher and gets scolded while gambling exactly one dollar. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets his computer stolen at a pastor’s conference and tells us about the time a woman got quarantined for life because she wouldn’t stop cooking.
Plus, a conversation about faith as a lens by which we see the world.
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Duration: 01:01:32Eclipses, Fast Cars, and Friendship
Mar 13, 2024John makes an awkward joke on primary Election Day and has a magical (and questionable) encounter with a bald eagle. Meanwhile, Jonnie plans a weekend of comedy shows in the path of the coming eclipse, which may lead to him sleeping in his car.
Plus, a conversation about compatibility in marriage and why it’s not necessarily the most important thing.
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Duration: 00:42:47Death Threats, Stressed States, and Wonder
Mar 07, 2024John wonders what happened to the roadside Rocket in Huntsville, AL and tells us which states are the most stressed out. Meanwhile, Jonnie releases an old comedy clip and somehow finds the angriest people in Iowa.
Plus, a conversation about regaining a sense of wonder and what it really means to have “faith like a child.”
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Duration: 00:45:58Bike Ramps, Go-Karts, and Mistakes
Feb 29, 2024John gets a go-kart and embarrasses his daughter with a “cool” handshake routine. Meanwhile, Jonnie jumps over the neighborhood kids with his bike and tells the story of a basketball player who saved a dolphin’s life in the weirdest way possible.
Plus, a conversation about the importance of taking risks and why a careful life is more empty than one full of mistakes.
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Duration: 00:40:09Seasickness, Elopements, & Tribalism
Feb 22, 2024John gets the flu and makes Jonnie sing the highest harmony notes ever at his wedding. Meanwhile, Jonnie ambushes John’s former teenage celebrity crush for a cruise ship selfie, and tells the story of Abe Lincoln becoming buddies with a guy who wanted to kill him.
Plus, a conversation about how to disagree with someone without dehumanizing them.
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Duration: 00:38:19ENCORE EPISODE : Valentines Day
Feb 14, 2024You wanted it, you got it!
A special encore of Talk About That's 2023 Valentines Day minisode.
The boys take a deep dive into the important topics like high school crushes, the best Valentine’s candy, and how long is too long in a hot tub.
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Duration: 00:20:34Awkward Roses, Ten Lepers, and Neuroplasticity
Feb 07, 2024John gets jealous at a Boyz II Men Concert and teaches us about Neuroplasticity. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives his band’s demo CD to Tobymac in hopes of a record deal, and ponders what it would be like to officiate the wedding of Kevin Bacon.
Plus, a conversation about the power of positivity and giving our spouse the benefit of the doubt, and the danger of dehumanizing our enemies.
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Duration: 00:38:12Space Monkeys, Food Poisoning, and Pressure
Feb 01, 2024John offers a chimpanzee a promotion at NASA, and travels back in time to Meet Alexander Hamilton, and neither goes well. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the one thing you don’t do on a tour bus and ponders the time that Russia skipped the first two weeks of February.
Plus, a conversation about performing under intense pressure, and the most important quality a public speaker can have.
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Duration: 00:42:47Radio Silence, Patriotic Turkeys, and Contentment
Jan 25, 2024John puts all his memories in the cloud and begs Jonnie not to tell him the score of the game. Meanwhile, Jonnie performs in front of 16,000 people and hurts himself playing ice hockey.
Plus, a conversation about toxic hustle culture, and finding the delicate balance between self-improvement and contentment.
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Duration: 00:51:40Weathermen, Bootleggers, and Power
Jan 18, 2024John worries about Jonnie driving in the snow, and considers getting his PhD. Meanwhile, Jonnie talks to his Uber driver and immediately regrets it, and ponders drinking from a boot.
Plus, a conversation about the Illuminati and other conspiracies, our collective need for gossip and secrets, and what it says about our culture.
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<... Duration: 00:47:08Trash Days, Camp Games, and Geniuses
Jan 11, 2024John has a power trip as a camp counselor, but gets humbled by the Lord of the Landfill. Meanwhile, Jonnie licks windowsills and ponders his questionable clothing choices in the 90’s.
Plus a conversation about the difference between talent and genius.
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Duration: 00:41:35Speed Demons, Codependency, and Vices
Jan 03, 2024John plans to live to be 100 and drives on the emergency shoulder on Christmas. Meanwhile, Jonnie takes issue with the ending of Back to the Future and says something to a traffic cop that gets him pulled out of the car.
Plus, a conversation about resolutions, vices, and remaining at peace with our neighbors.
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